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Battle of Agincourt

in Terrain Modelling Sat Dec 18, 2010 3:00 pm
by Jager • 178 Posts

I planning to make a diorama of Agincort
The base will be 34x44cm
It will be the edge of the battle since the whole battle cant be covered.
The ground will be a slightly hill? where the English archers stand.

The material for ground is plaster i think mixed whit white glue and papper.
Thought i usually use cellyclay? (it's paper mix) and have long working period.

The colour of grass dont know?

The English arrows How do it brake ? it's brake one impact?
Also sugestion to make this war arrows? whit sharp feathers?

The figures will be Italeri english knights and achers
Zvezda English infantry
Zvezda French infantry
Perhaps some figures from Zvezda medieval peasant army

And must get som frensh knight's
Perhaps use some from Valdemar?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Map_Agincort.svg

my drawing


Thoughts, suggestions and flags is welcom

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RE: Battle of Agincourt

in Terrain Modelling Sat Dec 18, 2010 6:07 pm
by Ben90 • 428 Posts

You can use the Zvezda French knights (15th century). They´ll fit well for Agincourt. The Valdemars have to be converted, because at this time the knights had already plate armour (or plate armour parts), the Valdemar knights are more for the 12-13th century. The English knights from Zvezda are good, too, but you have to scratch off the coats of arms and paint them as French.
And please note, that the Battlefield had a forest on both sides, that was the reason why the french could´t surround the English. And for the grass I would say you should use a dark colour (it was already autumn when the battle was) but because of the mud, you won´t need too much grass... maybe just some at the English positions. The rest has to be muddy, because many French knights died in the mud. And I think that the English weren´t on a hill... I think it was a plain terrain but the English used Wooden stakes in front of their position. Hope that was helpful (and not too much :-)) and please post some pictures of your work in progress...


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RE: Battle of Agincourt

in Terrain Modelling Sat Dec 18, 2010 7:35 pm
by Jager • 178 Posts

Thank you Zvezda Frensh knights Looks a bit thick also not many to use i think!
Perhaps the Accurate Set 7207 Hundred Years War Knights Of France
http://www.plasticsoldierreview.com/Review.aspx?id=7

Also this kit, to use the horses ore convert the knights.
http://www.valdemarminiatures.com/Files/...l%20knights.jpg

It wont cover both side sins the base is a bit small.
So i probably add trees along the right edge

yea also heard it flat

Would the cut down some trees? to improve achers position and use for wooden stakes ?


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RE: Battle of Agincourt

in Terrain Modelling Sat Dec 18, 2010 8:00 pm
by Ben90 • 428 Posts

I´m working on a diorama showing the battle of Crecy (1346). Here is a "work in progress-picture" (scroll down a bit) Medieval Battle Just like you, I´ll only show the right flank (The Black Prince´s division). I´ve got all the Zvezda knights-sets and they look great (not too thick), the French knights are even smaller than the English ones! The accurate knights are too small in comparison with the Zvezda sets (look at the size shown on PSR). The idea with the cut down trees is good I think, tells a little story, and the Valdemar falling knights are great to show the power of the english archers (I´ve got them, too) but you really should add some plate armour parts by using greenstuff or so... and some helmets would be good. I´ve read two complete books about these two battles, so if you have questions, then you just have to ask


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RE: Battle of Agincourt

in Terrain Modelling Sun Dec 19, 2010 3:14 am
by Jager • 178 Posts

Oh i might use some of this http://www.valdemarminiatures.com/Files/...ish_willers.jpg

Your diorama looks really good, the grass looks natural.
Hope to see it when finished.

Perhaps you can use pastel powder around legs of figures, to blend in figure with earth?
Or did you take photo whit flash?

The Zvezda English Infantry of the 100 Years War
With wooden stakes, is faced at a angle 70? degree it think.
While Wikipedia says mid level. Could it be in front of wooden stakes a more sharp stakes?

Also if they where hammered into the ground and after that shaped to a sharp point.
We will get some wood debris

Thought i will make some pine tree whit moss sins it look's most natural.?


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RE: Battle of Agincourt

in Terrain Modelling Sun Dec 19, 2010 5:49 pm
by Ben90 • 428 Posts

The English made their wooden stakes sharp before ramming them into the ground. Then the archers took them to move forward to get the french in range. When they were close enough, they installed the stakes quickly and opened fire. The angle of them isn´t very important, I think (but ist shouldn´t be 90° ). I think 45-60° is good. And I would use trees with leaves, because agincourt is in northern France, so pine trees look a bit more like southern France (Provence...), but this is just my opinion ;-)

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RE: Battle of Agincourt

in Terrain Modelling Tue Dec 21, 2010 3:27 pm
by Jager • 178 Posts

I bought some trees whit leavs that will be more suitable.
How did they installed the wooden stakes into the groun?

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RE: Battle of Agincourt

in Terrain Modelling Tue Dec 21, 2010 4:14 pm
by Jager • 178 Posts

Perhaps going to use some of this?
German knight's from Miniart 15th century
Some looks a bit frensh what you think, Altought not the horses
http://www.plasticsoldierreview.com/Review.aspx?id=1069

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RE: Battle of Agincourt

in Terrain Modelling Tue Dec 21, 2010 7:09 pm
by Ben90 • 428 Posts

The archers had wooden hammers to install the stakes. Then they sharpened them with a dagger. The Miniart knights are looking good and french enough, I think...

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RE: Battle of Agincourt

in Terrain Modelling Tue Dec 21, 2010 10:06 pm
by Valdemar • 2.088 Posts

Yes that was how they did do it. Does anyone know if they made holes in the ground in front of the archers in order to make the horses fall?


Best regards

ValdemarMiniatures.com

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#11

RE: Battle of Agincourt

in Terrain Modelling Tue Dec 21, 2010 10:36 pm
by Ben90 • 428 Posts

Yes, at Crecy they did...

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#12

RE: Battle of Agincourt

in Terrain Modelling Wed Dec 22, 2010 5:22 pm
by Jager • 178 Posts

Yes a nice Detail to add
Thought wonder how the hammers looked like, 2 hands hammer like a sledgehammer?
Or a wooden club / cudgel?

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RE: Battle of Agincourt

in Terrain Modelling Wed Dec 22, 2010 6:11 pm
by Ben90 • 428 Posts

they had one-hand hammers. Sometimes they used them for close combat.

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RE: Battle of Agincourt

in Terrain Modelling Fri Dec 24, 2010 5:19 pm
by Paul´s Bods • 1.314 Posts

and mallets and short billhooks to hammer the stakes in and sharpen them

it didn't break which was important as there were no reserves, and eventually began a counter assault with no arrows left, the archers attacked with whatever was available - swords if they were lucky, axes and even mallets which had been used to drive in the stakes
Somewhere in here two local lords with...


Taken from here;
http://www.public.asu.edu/~roblewis/Archery/History.htm

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RE: Battle of Agincourt

in Terrain Modelling Tue Feb 15, 2011 3:53 pm
by Jager • 178 Posts

I havet give it up but in sweden it's a model competition comming.
So other dioramas first that i will display.

Any how thought i will make a medieval plow that i will put in the Agincourt diorama.

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